How Many Visitors Do We Get, and Where Do They Come From? In the two months since the Journal opened in early August, its front page has been accessed over 4,000 times - effectively doubling the number of 'hits' that we have had since mid-February, when the site was opened. An average of seventy different individuals visit the front page of the Journal every day. We don't count the number of times the numerous other pages at the site are directly accessed, but our server does, and reports that some of these papers are amongst the most frequently accessed pages that they currently serve. To date, people have come to the site from fifty-two countries - Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, Brunei Darussalam, Canada, Chile, China, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hong Kong, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Jamaica, Latvia, Mexico, Malaysia, Monaco, Netherlands, Norway, New Zealand, Oman, the Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, the Russian Federation, South Africa, South Korea, Singapore, Slovenia, the Slovak Republic, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Thailand, Turkey, Trinidad and Tobago, Taiwan, the United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom, and the United States, Venezuela.	What Kind of Correspondence Takes Place? Most of the messages that we received in the past two months concerned the art work that was displayed in the 'Art and Personality' section last month and the 33 question experimental indicator (FD33), from the use of which we receive a half dozen responses per day, on average. In addition, a few visitors left messages at the guestbook; and others emailed us short messages of encouragement directly from the site. Some have requested assistance in downloading the condensed pdf file that contains the entire 'collected papers' site, for off-line reading. During this period we also started to receive more special requests from people who want to network with other visitors. We have received permission to repost a couple of these at the 'easy access' message board that we have recently set up as an alternative to the delphi board. The new board, called 'The Community Forum', does not require registration, and is only one click away from the Journal front page. To date, the chatroom facility has been most successfully used only for for small (two or three person) meetings that require 'real time' responses - meetings, for instance, in which specific decisions need to be made, with simultaneous input required from various parties. Generally speaking, the Chat Room has other advantages over alternate forms of electronic communication - such meetings can be made 'private' at the Delphi facilities that we use, and a transcript of the discussion can be logged and emailed to participants - obviating the need for someone to 'take minutes' of the proceedings.
What's New? An Easy-Access Message Board, Interviews, and Email 'Lists'. In the past few months a number of lengthy discussions were initiated by individuals interested in coming to a better understanding of their own Enneagram and MBTI types, and the relationship between the two systems. Although these conversations always take interesting turns, and have proven as valuable for us as we hope they were for others, most of these are best left confidential. In the first place it is a nightmare to try to edit an email interchange that is the product of having been sent back and forth a half dozen or more times. At some point the participants find they must snip older parts of the message, and can do so without effecting the tacit understandings that have developed between correspondents. But this, and the layered structure that develops in emails that have bounced back and forth a number of times, usually makes such messages all but indecipherable to one who did not witness the course of the conversation from the beginning. In addition, parties usually want to maintain privacy about test scores, career objectives, and other personal concerns, and it becomes nearly impossible to cull much from such a correspondence without heavy editing, which defeats the purpose of presenting the material in the form of a verbatim 'conversation'. So instead of trying to capture these conversations in a way that can be shared by site visitors, we are going to treat dyadic and group email conversations as a parallel communication track that will not be directly reported on here. In lieu of trying to present email dialogues that have taken place, we have decided to - 1) provide readers with an 'easy access' message board, at which public conversations, discussions, and debates can take place in a manner that does not require editing. This board is presently in operation; 2) in the future use the 'conversation' section of the Journal for interviews with particular individuals, on specific subjects of interest. We are continually impressed with the various ways in which the internet, as a medium for communication, differs from hardcopy media. As we mentioned in the last issue, the traditional 'letters to the editor' column is indeed somewhat of an anachronism. And although we will continue to call this section 'letters to the editor' and include in it letters that have been sent to us - we will also treat this column as a center for discussing with you how other methods are being used at the site to facilitate interaction between interested parties - writers and readers, visitors and feature editors, and persons with special interests desiring to network with likeminded individuals.
'Lists' and Chat Room Discussion Groups We are considering creating email 'lists' for those who would like to participate in email discussion groups on specific topics or issues, or individuals who may have an email account but limited internet access. If you have a topic related to the Enneagram and MBTI that you would like to form a discussion group around, either via email list or at the private chatroom, please let us know. We are compiling a list of topics, and the names of interested parties. So far, here are the ideas that some individuals have suggested - clergy members who use the Enneagram and MBTI for counseling purposes, writers with an interest in discussing personality type and the written word, and organizational development consultants who want to explore the relationship between personality type and organizational forms. If you are interested in one of these groups, or have suggestions of your own, please let us know.
Over 300 individuals have graciously filled out the experimental 33-question preference order indicator that was added last month to the front page of the Journal. We treat the forms that they submitted as confidential communications and will not share individual responses publicly. In this issue of the Journal, however, there is a preliminary general report on the forms that were submitted. Also included in this issue are observations on the guesses that readers made regarding the personality types of those individuals who created the art that was displayed in the last issue.

Recent Letters/Messages:
10/2/98 Dear Editors, I participated at the beginning of this [FD33] project by responding to a request to send in my questionnaire. I am very interested in learning the results of your results and keep abreast of it on a continuous basis. One thing I have discovered: I used to believe I was an Enneagram 6, but find after more careful reflection that I am probably much more a 4. I'm not sure whether this is a general conclusion you come to for INFPs. Thank you very much. M.P.(INFP) ... We are presently working on a preliminary review of the data, which will appear in the soon to be released issue of the Journal. We want to thank you for your interest and participation, and would like to hear more about the careful study and reflection that you have done, and the insights that you have had as a result. Statistically speaking, INFPs seem to frequent zones 9, 4, and 6. [See the chart at our site]. As INFPs and ISFPs are the two MBTI groups that appear in enneazone 9 in highest concentration, and because the traits that IFs exhibit to a large extent overlap those qualities characteristic of 9s, Pat and I treat the IF as 'prototypical' of zone 9. But this does not mean that any particular individual should feel compelled to conform to these patterns, or that if they have a statistically less common Enneagram-MBTI combination that they have made a mistake or done anything 'wrong'. We are interesting in understanding why some people have certain combinations and others do not, and are grateful to individuals like yourself who are willing to offer information and guidance in helping us to come to such an understanding. So thank YOU! Editors
9/28/98 Dear Editors, This is a great site. J.Y.	9/28/98 Dear Editors, I am a graduate student at Gannon University looking to write my thesis on the Enneagram and the benefits it has in the work place especially the relationship between employer and employee. I am looking for any information that relates to this subject. Any information I can gain would be beneficial. Thank-you. S.P. [readers - if you have information for S.P., please leave it at the new 'Community Forum' message board, under the copy of this message that was posted there. Thanks.]	9/30/98 I am a type 4 and MBTI ENFJ. According to all the correlation data on this site type 4 is represented by IN. Whatever tests or statistics used to reach this conclusion have been skewed or are completely subjective. J.D. Dear J.D. 'Completely' subjective? Hmmm. Is this something that you conclude on the basis of one case (your own) or do you have other, independent evidence? John
9/21/98 Dear Editors, Took the papers off the net. I need time to read and digest them. J.J.	9/21/98 Dear Editors, I have been studying and using both of these tools and find them interesting and useful. I am convinced there are connections between the two, but I'm not sure if they can be directly correlated. I am an MBTI type INTJ/ISTJ and an Enneagram type 6 with a strong 5 wing. D.H.	9/18/98 Dear Editors, I believe I am ESFJ or ENFJ (sort of split on those two) and I am definitely a 6 with a 5 wing. I have not read the papers on your site yet, however, so I may change my mind after I read them! C.R.
9/10/98 Dear Pat, ... Thanks for your part in creating such an interesting site! R.G.	9/01/98 I am a type 6 with a strong 5 wing. I am also an MBTI type INTJ, although the N occasionally tests out as an S. I have a small group in my congregation that is very interested in the enneagram as well as MBTI. We have been studying together informally and irregularly for a couple of years. Rev. M.C.	9/02/98 Dear Editors, I am currently working on a revision of a book on "A Commnication Workshop for Premarital Counseling" for ministers, and the publishers have suggested integrating MBTI as an inventory. Have any of your readers used the MBTI (asnd/or FIRO-B) for this purpose, who might be interested in communicating with me? Thanks. T.P. [Please post replies to this request under the copy of it that was posted at the ' Community Forum' message board. Editors]
8/28/98 Dear Editors, One of your rules states that the function opposite the dominant must be the inferior. But then in your list of MBTI types, INTJ and ENTP have not the "S" but the "F" as their inferior function. Are NTs an exception? Or is it a typo? J. Hi J., It must be a typo. Which list were you looking at? We'd like to correct it. We visited the site at the URL that you left, by the way. Its great! The music is very interesting. Did you create it? Or any of the art or essays? ... The reason I ask is that we currently have a page at 'The Enneagram and the MBTI' that features art and music, and will be adding another page on 'personality type and writing'. We're looking for contributions in all of those categories. With regards, John John, Go to "http://tap3x.net/EMBTI/page2.html", scroll down to the bottom where you list the R-C-I with the MBTypes and Jungian ranks. ... ---all of the visual art i ripped from other sources, except i scanned in the hoodwink and cheshire and pallmalls. The imbeded acappella bytes are all my voices, as well as the inappropriate but funny semen song, which is a parody. the midis are not mine. All written material not otherwise specified is mine; that includes 'collapse into sanity'. Feel free to post any of my writings anywhere, even without my consent... try to recognize me, though... J.
8/18/98 Dear Editors, I just recently became familiar with enneagrams. I wish to become a career counselor, and it was suggested to me that I take a course in NLP. I went to the library looking for a book on NLP, and I found a book by Anne Linden on Enneagrams and NLP. I became curious (1) on knowing my enneagram, and (2) applications for career counseling. I believe that I am an INFJ. During my career choice program I tested as an IN?? I worked my way through Do What You Are by Paul Tieger and found myself to be an INFJ. I just took the Keirsey Sorter II test with the following result: ..... I took the enneagram test at freshy.com with the following result: ..... I took the Helen Palmer enneagram test and scored ..... I took the Riso-Hudson enneagram test twice. The first time I answered all 145 questions, and scored ..... I took this test a second time answering only the 74 questions that I was comfortable with: ..... Both times types ....and .... were relatively high. .... There are NF's in types 2, 4, 7, 9 and 1. I seemed to have hit them all. I looked at other information on the Internet on enneagrams, and I did not learn much more. I am ready to give up on enneagrams because if it is this difficult to figure out my type, how practical will it be for others in career counseling? I would be interested in any suggestions. If not, best wishes. S.J. [This letter led to a long, detailed and productive interchange that explored how distinct patterns in S.J.'s Enneagram Scores supplemented information provided by S.J.'s MBTI scores, and vice versa.]
8/19/98 Dear Editors, Your site is fascinating! I am an INFP and an Enneagram 4. I am also a psychology major who would love to be updated on this site and the work done on this topic. Thank you!! K.R.	8/18/98 Dear Editors, Interesting site. Good work! D.G.	8/12/98 I'm a definite Two and a definite ENFP. I am always curious to learn more about personality types, and I compliment you on an informative and interesting site. S.R.