Where Do Our Visitors Come From? The three front pages of this site have been accessed over 13,000 times since the 'collected papers' section was posted nine months ago. With the advent of the 'Journal' in August, visits increased more than three-fold. The section of the site devoted to organizational form and the structure of consciousness, while still under construction, has nonetheless also begun to attract visitors. Approximately seventy individuals visit the three respective front pages of this suite of web-sites each day. Although we don't count the number of times the numerous other pages at the site are directly accessed, our server does, and continues to report that some of these papers are amongst the most frequently accessed pages that they currently offer. We do keep a record of the countries from which people visit, and during the past two months seven new names have been added to the list. To date, visitors from fifty-nine lands have visited 'The Enneagram and the MBTI' - Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, Brunei Darussalam, Canada, Chile, China, Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hong Kong, Hungary, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Jamaica, Latvia, Malaysia, Malta, Maldives, Mexico, Monaco, Netherlands, Norway, New Zealand, Oman, the Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, the Russian Federation, South Africa, South Korea, Singapore, Slovenia, the Slovak Republic, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Thailand, Turkey, Trinidad and Tobago, Taiwan, the United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom, and the United States, Venezuela.	What Kind of Communications Are Currently Taking Place at This Site? In the past two months we've received 974 emails generated by material presented at the site, and a half dozen hardcopy letters! This does not count the correspondence that Ros and Walter have handled on their own, in the course of managing the 'Type Writer' page and the 'Community Forum'. Many of the messages that were received involve the written and visual works of art that were displayed in the previous issue. Those messages are not included here in the 'Letters to the Editor' column. But some excerpts from visitor emails regarding these topics can be found in the respective sections devoted to these concerns - in the 'Typewriter' and 'Art and Personality' sections. We have also chosen not to include here messages that were posted at the Community Forum Message Board - because they continue to be DIRECTLY available there. In a brief overview of what has been happening at the board, Walter has summarized some of the topics that have been addressed there, and has eloquently described the kind of dialogue that has begun to occur there. As he mentions, it is impossible to include - either at the board or here - the numerous email conversations that have taken place as a result of some messages posted at the board, or some of the email exchanges that have led to postings. Nor have we included confidential conversations initiated by individuals interested in coming to a better understanding of their own Enneagram and MBTI types and the relationship between the two systems as they experience these manifesting within themselves. And there is little point in reproducing the requests that we receive for technical assistance, unless we feel that others will benefit from the answers. A few individuals each month seek assistance in downloading the condensed pdf file that contains the entire 'collected papers' site for off-line reading, make requests to be included on various mailing lists, and seek help with how to use the message board. We also continue to receive, on a daily basis, responses to the 33 question experimental indicator (FD33) that we put up in August. Nearly 700 individuals have taken the time to fill out the experimental 33-question preference order indicatorsince then. We treat the forms that they submit as confidential communications and will not share individual responses publicly, but will report further on our findings in the future (a preliminary report was posted in the Second Issue of the Journal). So what HAVEwe included here in the 'Letters to the Editor' section? A mere handful of messages that do not fit within the other communication formats that are offered here - short messages that are left at the guestbook, ones emailed to us directly from the site, or hard-copy letters sent via the post office. When these initiate a two-party correspondence that may be beneficial to our readership at large, however, we hope to be able to include them in the 'Conversations' column - as we have done in this issue with the letters that Pat Wyman exchanged with us during the past few months.
We Still Need Your Help in Designing Email 'Lists' and 'Chat Room Discussions'. To date, the chatroom facility has been most successfully used only for small (two or three person) meetings that require 'real time' responses - meetings, for instance, in which specific decisions need to be made, with simultaneous input required from various parties. We are, however, considering whether to schedule some get-togethers on specific topics at the chatroom and need to know what kind of groups you'd be interested in participating in. The Chat Room has other advantages over alternate forms of electronic communication - such meetings can be made 'private' at the Delphi facilities that we use, and a transcript of the discussion can be logged and emailed to participants - obviating the need for someone to 'take minutes' of the proceedings. And there is something nice about getting a response immediately, in 'real time'. We are also considering creating email 'lists' for those who would like to participate in email discussion groups on specific topics or issues, or individuals who may have an email account but limited internet access. If you have a topic related to the Enneagram and MBTI that you would like to form a discussion group around, either via email list or at the private chatroom, please let us know. We are compiling a list of topics, and the names of interested parties. So far, here are the ideas that some individuals have suggested - clergy members who use the Enneagram and MBTI for counseling purposes, writers with an interest in discussing personality type and the written word, and organizational development consultants who want to explore the relationship between personality type and organizational forms. Chatroom meetings and/or email 'lists' are often most productive when attended by a SMALL number of participants with similar interests. Email us if you have a topic that you'd be interested in discussing in one of these formats, or if you are interested in leading a discussion on a particular topic.

Some Recent Messages/Letters:
12/6/98 Dear Editors, My MBTI Preferences are E,N,T, & J, and I'm an Enneagram Type One. I am certified to use the MBTI. I have read more than 50 books on psychological type and am currently interested in the Enneagram, having read 7 books on this personality system in the last two weeks. Your papers look like fascinating reading. Thank you for making this site available. C.P. Dear C.P., You're welcome. Would love to hear what your thoughts are on any of the topics presented here!
12/4/98 Dear Pat and John, ... I found your papers very interesting, and believe our readers would as well. However, as ours is not an academic journal, we would not want to reprint entire articles. Therefore, with your permission, we would like to publish the abstracts of the four parts of "Toward a Diversity of Psychological Type in Organization," and include your Web address for the complete articles. This way, readers who have a deeper interest (particularly Type professionals) can explore your ideas fully. Please advise if we may print the abstracts, with your names and Web site address. Thank you again for the information. Mary Twillman Mary & Brian Twillman Publishers, The NF Journal “Creating a Global Community of Compassionate Communicators” http://www.nfjournal.com Dear Mary, Please do. As NFs in an ST world Pat and I find solace in reading your Journal and hope that your readers will enjoy our papers.
11/28/98 Dear John and Patricia, I have read your article ['Toward a Diversity of Psychological Type in Organization"] and have found it to be very interesting. On page 6 of 9 there is a reference to Morris (1987) in relation to Limerick and Cunningham (1993). I would appreciate learning how might I find a copy of Morris's paper? Cheers, G. Australia Dear G., Morris's work is cited in Limerick's book, Managing the New Organization: A Blueprint for Networks and Strategic Alliances (1993, San Francisco: Jossey-Bass). Although we own this book, its not on the shelf. Must have loaned it out to someone. Your question, however, has piqued our curiosity - what is your interest in Morris' work? Regards, Pat
11/25/98 Dear Editors I maintain a site that provides weekly reviews of Myers-Briggs related sites on the web. This week, I am including your site in my link reviews. Stop on by! Mary Hoerr hoerrs@midplains.net http://www.mbtypeguide.com/Type/index.html Dear Mary, Thank you for taking the time to leave a message at our site, and for featuring us on your page. I did stop by, and found your site both interesting and informative! We had hoped that an in-depth exploration of the interface between the MBTI and the Enneagram would not only appeal to those who have an interest in both systems, but also more thoroughly reveal the assumptions underwriting each system and so provide food for thought to those, like yourself, who are affiliated with one but have no real interest in the other. We're happy to learn that this is indeed the case! ... John
11/27/98 Dear Editors, I am a physician and I discovered accidentally this site. I am interested in knowing more from enneagrams as a personal matter, not for investigations. Maybe later could I know enough to understand what is typing related to personality and found if I am really a Five. Maybe could I use this information in understanding better may patients. I think that you are doing a great thing with all this information. R.D., Mexico Dear R.D., Thanks. You might try checking out various books on the Enneagram - by Helen Palmer, Don Riso, Claudio Naranjo, Baron and Wagele, or Hurley and Dobson, to mention a few. We invite visitors to the site to offer suggestion by posting a reply to your query at the board. Editors
11/25/98 Dear Editors, Found you in Yahoo. Please keep me informed of new issues of the Journal. P.N. Will do!	11/19/98 Dear Editors, I'd like to know how to pronounce Enneagram. Is the accent on the first E or on the ea in the middle? I know nothing about this theory. A.M. Dear A.M. Its pronounced 'N-E-uh-gram' with the emphasis on the first syllable. What would you like to know about the system? You might check out some of the books by the authors mentioned above.	11/10/98 Dear Editors, Great site. I'm particularly interested in the rich theoretical discussions that are offered here. Much food for thought! J.A. Dear J.A., Feel free to participate in the discussion, by emailing us your thoughts, or by posting them directly at the Community Forum Message Board
11/10/98 Dear Editors, I'm a french training consultant very interesting in your works about MBTI and all things I did not know before. I may use it in the future when I have made it clearer. As for now I work it for myself. I know a good lot about Jung I read a long time ago and practised. But using the Jungian types is not too common here in France. Thank you to tell me when your program is ready to download. I'll be pleased to exchange with you about all those subjects. Thanks for letting us know about your interesting work. B.S., France 11/09/98 Dear Editors, This material is outstanding. Please keep in touch with me at ...@...net with additional information. Thanks. A.Z. Dear A.Z. - Thank you! 11/07/98 John - You have a very interesting site. ... I took your 33 question test and came out n-t-f-s. I found some of the wording on the test interesting. The use of the word 'pander' in question one surprised me; it has a more emotive value on it than found in Keirsey's online tests. I enjoyed the wording but some may find it a tad convoluted. J. J., ... Our 33 question test IS experimental, as we've mentioned at the site, and at some point we hope to be able to more thoroughly explain the rationale for the questions and the wording. I'm not sure which part you found 'convoluted', but would appreciate hearing more. Our inspiration for developing the test was simply that we found that existing tests did not always tell us what we actually wanted to know about a person, and decided to try to ask those questions that we did find important, and ask them in a way that might reveal what we were interested in learning. I seem to recall ... that you have questioned the role that 'thinking' plays in your own functional preference order [which, as an INFJ, should be n-f-t-s]. Or was it someone else who raised this question about you? Were you surprised to have scored n-t-f-s on the FD33? John
10/13/98 Dear Editors, I am an enneagram 4/5. MBTI: I tested INFP, but I act more like a J than a P. Go figure, maybe that's why I rely most on my enneagram personality (and that is what I most often use to describe my personality to anyone). R.S. Dear R.S., That's very interesting. We can conceive of how an 'IN' might test as a 'P' (hence the notion of an 'iNfp'. But we're not sure why someone who is a genuine 'J' (prefering closure, etc) would test as a 'P'. We'd be interested in knowing how you scored on our FD33.
10/28/98 Dear Mr.Fudjack , I was wondering if there is any test or some sort of quiz to find out what type of person or number you are in the enneagram, on the web. Maybe you could give me some web sites to look at or even just email a test back if you're not too busy of course. Thank you S. Dear S., A good place to start would be on the front page of our Journal , where there is a copy of the RHETI (Riso and Hudson's Enneagram Type Indicator) that you can take on-line. If f you have further questions about typing yourself, Walter Geldart has offered to help you. You can reach him via our Message Board John
10/02/98 Dear Editors, I participated at the beginning of this project by responding to a request to send in my questionnaire. I am very interested in learning the results of your results and keep abreast of it on a continuous basis. One thing I have discovered: I used to believe I was an Enneagram 6, but find after more careful reflection that I am probably much more a 4. I'm not sure whether this is a general conclusion you come to for INFPs.Thank you very much. M.P. (INFP) ... We are presently working on a preliminary review of the data, which will appear in the soon to be released issue of the Journal. We want to thank you for your interest and participation, and would like to hear more about the careful study and reflection that you have done, and the insights that you have had as a result. Statistically speaking, INFPs seem to frequent zones 9, 4, and 6. [See the chart at our site]. As INFPs and ISFPs are the two MBTI groups that appear in enneazone 9 in highest concentration, and because the traits that IFs exhibit to a large extent overlap those qualities characteristic of 9s, Pat and I treat the IF as 'prototypical' of zone 9. But this does not mean that any particular individual should feel compelled to conform to these patterns, or that if they have a statistically less common Enneagram-MBTI combination that they have made a mistake or done anything 'wrong'. We are interesting in understanding why some people have certain combinations and others do not, and are grateful to individuals like yourself who are willing to offer information and guidance in helping us to come to such an understanding. So thank YOU!
10/12/98 Dear Editors, Not much time today to study your site. However, I am interested in the concept and will be back. Thanks. J.F.
Date Dear Editors, >Where are my posts? > I don't know. Did you see the 'preview' of the message you were trying to post? At that point did you 'submit' the message? What happened then? > Can you change the background? It's quite dark on my screen. The backgrounds are dark because the letters are light. Knowing what kind of system you have might help me to know what the problem is that you are experiencing. How many colors does your system have (256, millions, or something in between)? > Thanks. You're welcome, and thank you for letting us know that you have experienced a problem. In order to begin to fix it we will need to know more about the specifics of your experience. Thanks. > DG
	10/2/98 Dear Editors, Interesting site. Please let me know when new issues appear. Good work! P.F.